the whole conversation has been about tax hikes. i mean, you can't -- you're talking about how many tax hikes and who is going to be involved, but we really need to address the spending issue. >> dan greenhouse, do you agree? >> more or less. i'll take issue with what mandy just said about cutting austerity. we know there's going to be a fiscal contraction next year. nothing in what these guys agree upon will add to the level of austerity. the types of things that we're talking about, adjusting the cpi used to compute social security benefits down the road, those types of things are not real austerity, and so we really shouldn't be worried about that in terms of 2013. >> so you see growth, dan? you see the stock market moving up? you see a year that will still be positive for us in all of those respects, even if we do have, for example, massive spending cuts and tax hikes, that's what you're seeing? >> i take issue with the word massive, and i'm sure rick will as well. we think next year will be okay in of everything, but, again, to